Human Nurture - Ep 10 - PACT in Theory - Catherine Ducommun Nagy on Social Justice Theory

"What really grounds PACT is its emphasis on Social Justice theory and the idea that couples must have a sense of purpose, a sense of meaning, a shared vision, a shared mythology for why they are together above and beyond the ephemeral and changeable elements such as new love, romantic love, attractions or common interests."

This is Stan Tatkin, the founder of PACT talking about the importance of the foundational element of Social Justice within the PACT approach. In episode #10 (!) we talk to Catherine Ducommun-Nagy, who is an expert in Contexetual Therapy which brought the ideas of fairness, reciprocity and justice into clinical practice and theory. Catherine was married to the founder of Contextual therapy, Ivan Boszormenyi-Nagy who passed away in 2007 and she continues to expand and carry her late husbands work forward.

The interview is full of Catherine's frankness, great sense of humor and deep understanding of social justice within the clinical setting and beyond. Here she is in her own words, “The definition of justice is inter-subjective, it comes from the dialogue and the real justice in couples or families would be if you are capable of accepting that the point of view of the other person is no less valid than yours. That becomes reciprocal." 

We are also joined by the Stan as we discuss the interview with Catherine and he helps us understand the importance of Social Justice Theory within PACT.

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00:00:00 - 00:03:19 -Jason Introduction

00:02:00-00:24:26 - Jason and Stan Tatkin

00:24:26-01:500:35 - Jason and Catherine Ducommun-Nagy